Comments on: Saying Goodbye to Beer

By: dhammy

dhammy — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:02:07 +0000

I’ve given some thought to the idea of sustainability of the paleo diet. Without doing any real number crunching or analysis it would appear obvious that 6 billion people wouldn’t be able to live like that. The sole reason that there ARE 6 billion people on the earth is because of agriculture and grains–although they are imperfect sources of nutrition.

This is why you’ll never see any prominent public officials (like the surgeon general) promote such a diet.

By: MAS

MAS — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:19:43 +0000

I don’t know about what would happen if paleo diets were adopted by everyone. It really hasn’t been an interest of mine.

I have had no problem getting grass fed high quality meat in the Pacific NW. Farms like Thundering Hooves do neighborhood delivery a few times a month.

My seafood intake has dropped for some of the reasons you mentioned. It is now easier for me to buy clean land animals than clean seafood. The exact opposite was true just a few years ago.

By: Mike

Mike — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:12:13 +0000

Yes…paleo..sounds great now..but one has to address the ethical issue of eating animals and fish. Wild fish are disappearing fast e.g. salmon and tuna; sharks are horribly mistreated for shark fin soup.
Factory-farmed animals are treated disgracefully and probably not good for us what with antibiotics, food additives, hormones, mad cow disease …. The few farms that process their animals for food ethically without dancing around the FDA rules are few, hard to find, and unlikely to be able to produce enough for everyone.

By: Glenn

Glenn — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:25:34 +0000

As they say:
“Being lean feels better than beer tastes”…

By: MAS

MAS — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:30:50 +0000

Mike –
I don’t think ketosis is even necessary. It certainly works, but for me a slow gradual reduction of carbs has been enough.

As for dietary boredom, with the Internet there are far more resources for ideas. Didn’t have that in 1970s. I still do curries and stir-fry dishes only without rice or noodles.

The paleo blog crowd is growing quickly. When I first looked at it a few years ago there were a few resources. Now there are many.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:19:42 +0000

Mr. MAS:
I agree with you on paleo. I was on the strict Atkins diet for several years in the mid 70′s, ketosis and all. No question that it works: body fat & hunger disappears. An additional benefit: better erections. The only problem was extreme dietary boredom. And after a while I questioned the wisdom of being in ketosis the rest of my life so gradually fell off the wagon.
As to BPH, the closest people on a paleo diet that I know of would be eskimos living the traditional life on sea food. But they probably don’t exist anymore having added cheetos and beer to their diets. Too bad…it would be interesting to see if they had better BPH outcomes.

By: MAS

MAS — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:45:03 +0000

One of the respected nutrition sites I follow Animal Pharm had a comment that addressed your question. "Any antiinflammatory, insulin-controlled diet (like Paleo) helps BPH. Studies show vitamin D and fish oil are very benefitical in controlling BPH has well." It appears all roads to optimal health led to cutting carbohydrates, increasing Vitamin D3 and increasing the Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:24:59 +0000

Hi guys…new to reading this site.
Looks like Mr. MAS has a lot of time on his hands researching….here’s the main challenge of our middle aged male lifetimes:
Figure out how to avoid BPH (benign prostate hypertrophy). There’s no point in living to 120 with a flat abdomen and big biceps if you have to pee 5 times a night and 15 minutes after drinking a cup of coffee yet it is going to happen to 80 percent of us.

By: MAS

MAS — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39:07 +0000

The book The Anti-Estrogenic Diet disagrees. It makes a strong case that hops are estrogenic. I'm not a scientist, so I can't tell you if the studies in Ori's book are better developed than the one you found. What I do notice is male beer drinkers carry excessive weight on their mid section and develop man-boobs. Go to a WABL meeting if you disagree. That is a sign of too much estrogen. Regular non-drinking fat people, carry their fat more evenly distributed. That is a 20 year observation and not science. Does midsection fat come from the estrogenic beer they drink or all the stupid food choices they make while drinking beer? Does it matter? Show me someone over 40 that regularly drinks beer and has ab definition. Not Miller Lite, but real beer.

By: MAS

MAS — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:56:11 +0000

“Hops is perhaps one of the most powerfully estrogenic plants on Earth. Just 100 grams of hops (about 3.5 ounces) contains anywhere from thirty thousand to three thousand IUs of estrogens, depending on the type of hops. Most of it is the very potent estrogen estradiol.

The estradiol in hops has been found to directly interfere with the ability of the testes Leydig cells to produce testosterone.”

source: “The Natural Testosterone Plan” By Stephen Harrod Buhne